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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Not Our Job to Reach Everyone</title>
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	<description>Ken Cochrum explores practical leadership...for the rest of us.</description>
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		<title>By: Claire Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 23:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, I&#039;ve been looking through quite a few of your posts and this is one of my favorites so far.  As a student, I remember hearing one of my campus staff essentially say the exact opposite of what you have said here, and it was demoralizing, not inspiring.  I remember one day talking to a friend (not a Christian) on the phone about how I was convinced that &quot;this was going to be the year&quot; that God did great things, and that person responded, &quot;isn&#039;t that what staff on that campus have been trying to do for the last 30 years? What makes you think that this year is going to be any different?&quot;  I fully believed that it was our job as a student ministry to reach every student on the campus, and collaboration with other ministries and other local believers was never part of that discussion.  Feeling responsible for the impossible created a burden much too heavy for me to lift, especially as a young believer.  It makes me wonder how much not only CCC staff but also students experience a level of subtle ongoing defeat as they hear more and more about the vision of every tribe, tongue, and nation without a plausible concrete strategy as to how that might be accomplished.  Clarifying what &quot;movements everywhere&quot; ISN&#039;T is a great step toward understanding what it actually is, and it&#039;s a safeguard against thinking too highly of ourselves as God&#039;s supreme gift to mankind (next to Jesus, of course!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, I&#8217;ve been looking through quite a few of your posts and this is one of my favorites so far.  As a student, I remember hearing one of my campus staff essentially say the exact opposite of what you have said here, and it was demoralizing, not inspiring.  I remember one day talking to a friend (not a Christian) on the phone about how I was convinced that &#8220;this was going to be the year&#8221; that God did great things, and that person responded, &#8220;isn&#8217;t that what staff on that campus have been trying to do for the last 30 years? What makes you think that this year is going to be any different?&#8221;  I fully believed that it was our job as a student ministry to reach every student on the campus, and collaboration with other ministries and other local believers was never part of that discussion.  Feeling responsible for the impossible created a burden much too heavy for me to lift, especially as a young believer.  It makes me wonder how much not only CCC staff but also students experience a level of subtle ongoing defeat as they hear more and more about the vision of every tribe, tongue, and nation without a plausible concrete strategy as to how that might be accomplished.  Clarifying what &#8220;movements everywhere&#8221; ISN&#8217;T is a great step toward understanding what it actually is, and it&#8217;s a safeguard against thinking too highly of ourselves as God&#8217;s supreme gift to mankind (next to Jesus, of course!)</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken - here are thoughts from a former student involved with CCC, current supporter of staff members and brother of a CCC member (this is for the audience at large!).

I&#039;ve always felt the &quot;weak link&quot; of CCC was, &quot;what do we do after graduation if we don&#039;t join staff?&quot;  I know CCC has other ministries (e.g., Priority Associates), and things my have changed, but it seems that these ministries are not integrated.

Working with clients in the business world, the first thing I look for is inefficient and ineffective processes (e.g., Customer service hand-offs) which lead to costs and lost revenue.  I view the &quot;graduation&quot; event as a hand-off between the various CCC ministries.  When the hand-off is handled poorly, people get lost.

I agree with CCC&#039;s historical and future role in the Great Commission - focused, sharp, on-point.  Would like your thoughts on the post-graduate question as we all agree that discipleship needs to extend beyond the 4-5 years we spent on the college campus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken &#8211; here are thoughts from a former student involved with CCC, current supporter of staff members and brother of a CCC member (this is for the audience at large!).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always felt the &#8220;weak link&#8221; of CCC was, &#8220;what do we do after graduation if we don&#8217;t join staff?&#8221;  I know CCC has other ministries (e.g., Priority Associates), and things my have changed, but it seems that these ministries are not integrated.</p>
<p>Working with clients in the business world, the first thing I look for is inefficient and ineffective processes (e.g., Customer service hand-offs) which lead to costs and lost revenue.  I view the &#8220;graduation&#8221; event as a hand-off between the various CCC ministries.  When the hand-off is handled poorly, people get lost.</p>
<p>I agree with CCC&#8217;s historical and future role in the Great Commission &#8211; focused, sharp, on-point.  Would like your thoughts on the post-graduate question as we all agree that discipleship needs to extend beyond the 4-5 years we spent on the college campus.</p>
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		<title>By: brianbarela23</title>
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		<dc:creator>brianbarela23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brian barela&lt;br /&gt;chico state&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;just was reminded of this quote from walter brueggemann in The Prophetic Imagination: &quot;It is difficult to keep a revolution of freedom and justice underway when there is satiation.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i think part of why we in the states struggle with urgency is also due to this. i have to be honest and say that the times when my staff account has been full and my life trial free, i&#039;ve been less effective on campus than when the lord has been pruning my soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brian barela<br />chico state</p>
<p>just was reminded of this quote from walter brueggemann in The Prophetic Imagination: &#8220;It is difficult to keep a revolution of freedom and justice underway when there is satiation.&#8221;</p>
<p>i think part of why we in the states struggle with urgency is also due to this. i have to be honest and say that the times when my staff account has been full and my life trial free, i&#8217;ve been less effective on campus than when the lord has been pruning my soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex and Dan, your comments really drive the point home: we must seek ways to continually make disciples in the different settings in which we find ourselves. Personally, I find my thoughts and actions increasingly being shaped by those who can communicate clearly, with grace and truth, and challenge me to live at a different standard. Life-on-life influence takes on a whole new dimension with the web, fb and well-written blogs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Benson, what a great question! Yes, having spent 13 of our 23 staff years living overseas, I believe that most staff serving outside their culture labor with a much more heightened sense of urgency. Mission clarity seems more present - in the air - as if the clock is ticking. Staff members see themselves as pioneers seeking to reach influential nationals who will reach their peers. I don&#039;t sense that same level of urgency or mission clarity among most staff members serving in their home country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex and Dan, your comments really drive the point home: we must seek ways to continually make disciples in the different settings in which we find ourselves. Personally, I find my thoughts and actions increasingly being shaped by those who can communicate clearly, with grace and truth, and challenge me to live at a different standard. Life-on-life influence takes on a whole new dimension with the web, fb and well-written blogs.</p>
<p>Benson, what a great question! Yes, having spent 13 of our 23 staff years living overseas, I believe that most staff serving outside their culture labor with a much more heightened sense of urgency. Mission clarity seems more present &#8211; in the air &#8211; as if the clock is ticking. Staff members see themselves as pioneers seeking to reach influential nationals who will reach their peers. I don&#8217;t sense that same level of urgency or mission clarity among most staff members serving in their home country.</p>
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		<title>By: Benson Hines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benson Hines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, I really appreciate this whole post. It&#039;s easy to assume that most of the national college ministries feel they have a &quot;manifest destiny&quot; to plant a mission on every single campus. I appreciate somebody being very clear that they don&#039;t feel that way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My conclusion (recently, at least) has been that the more we approach college ministry like we do classic foreign missions - rather than anything akin to &quot;Christian Education - the better off we are. This seems to fit with your discussion of how we determine success, how we involve local &quot;tribespeople,&quot; and having a bent toward Kingdom-mindedness and cooperation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a lot of Christians, these things seem obvious - &lt;i&gt;elsewhere&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s a little trickier to engage and think missiologically in the U.S.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I have a question - do Cru people overseas have an easier time applying what you wrote in your post, because it feels so &quot;missions-y&quot; already? Or do you see this difficulty regardless of where CCC people are working?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, I really appreciate this whole post. It&#8217;s easy to assume that most of the national college ministries feel they have a &#8220;manifest destiny&#8221; to plant a mission on every single campus. I appreciate somebody being very clear that they don&#8217;t feel that way.</p>
<p>My conclusion (recently, at least) has been that the more we approach college ministry like we do classic foreign missions &#8211; rather than anything akin to &#8220;Christian Education &#8211; the better off we are. This seems to fit with your discussion of how we determine success, how we involve local &#8220;tribespeople,&#8221; and having a bent toward Kingdom-mindedness and cooperation.</p>
<p>For a lot of Christians, these things seem obvious &#8211; <i>elsewhere</i>. It&#8217;s a little trickier to engage and think missiologically in the U.S.</p>
<p>But I have a question &#8211; do Cru people overseas have an easier time applying what you wrote in your post, because it feels so &#8220;missions-y&#8221; already? Or do you see this difficulty regardless of where CCC people are working?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Curran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with me, CCC and every other leading evangelical ministry is that we &quot;don&#039;t do&quot; Jesus&#039; Great Commission.  Willard says, &quot;the great ommission from the great commission isn&#039;t money, resources, or numbers, ...but obedience&quot; -paraphrase.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that if we &quot;do it&quot; --- if we &quot;are disciples who make disciples&quot; the numbers, the money, the resources will take care of themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What if every USCM staff member, ...both field, office, full-time and &quot;moms&quot; invested 1 day a week in 100% &quot;making disciples&quot; (which would probably eventually translate into all our USCM staff having a little &quot;band&quot; of college student we&#039;re discipling.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What if the other 4 days of their week supported this investment (and didn&#039;t take them &quot;off task&quot; or &quot;out of town&quot; or &quot;off mission&quot;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The result?  Jesus Kingdom on campus would begin growing by Kingdom proportions (10, 20, 50, 100 fold) in a matter of months.  Can you imagine what could happen in  4 years of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with me, CCC and every other leading evangelical ministry is that we &#8220;don&#8217;t do&#8221; Jesus&#8217; Great Commission.  Willard says, &#8220;the great ommission from the great commission isn&#8217;t money, resources, or numbers, &#8230;but obedience&#8221; -paraphrase.</p>
<p>I think that if we &#8220;do it&#8221; &#8212; if we &#8220;are disciples who make disciples&#8221; the numbers, the money, the resources will take care of themselves.</p>
<p>What if every USCM staff member, &#8230;both field, office, full-time and &#8220;moms&#8221; invested 1 day a week in 100% &#8220;making disciples&#8221; (which would probably eventually translate into all our USCM staff having a little &#8220;band&#8221; of college student we&#8217;re discipling.  </p>
<p>What if the other 4 days of their week supported this investment (and didn&#8217;t take them &#8220;off task&#8221; or &#8220;out of town&#8221; or &#8220;off mission&#8221;).</p>
<p>The result?  Jesus Kingdom on campus would begin growing by Kingdom proportions (10, 20, 50, 100 fold) in a matter of months.  Can you imagine what could happen in  4 years of this?</p>
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		<title>By: A Jam C</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Jam C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to a conference in another region once, and a campus staff member told me that she literally didn&#039;t spend any time on campus because of her many responsibilities.  That may be extreme, but I think that there&#039;s elements of that issue with us as staff.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would definitely love to hear you speak about what you&#039;re talking about here.  One thing that I would like to add though... I think that the most effective context of win, build, send is with one person.  In other words, I have &quot;won&quot; many people, and &quot;built&quot; many people, and &quot;sent&quot; many people, but I have never won, built, AND sent a single person.  I know you could bring up Paul and Apollos here, (I planted, Apollos watered, etc), but I think more condensed forms of win, build, and send need to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to a conference in another region once, and a campus staff member told me that she literally didn&#8217;t spend any time on campus because of her many responsibilities.  That may be extreme, but I think that there&#8217;s elements of that issue with us as staff.</p>
<p>I would definitely love to hear you speak about what you&#8217;re talking about here.  One thing that I would like to add though&#8230; I think that the most effective context of win, build, send is with one person.  In other words, I have &#8220;won&#8221; many people, and &#8220;built&#8221; many people, and &#8220;sent&#8221; many people, but I have never won, built, AND sent a single person.  I know you could bring up Paul and Apollos here, (I planted, Apollos watered, etc), but I think more condensed forms of win, build, and send need to happen.</p>
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